>> 2 DADS, GOOD FRIENDS, DIVERGENT POLITICAL VIEWS.

ONE IS A FORMER ILLINOIS CONGRESSMAN AND FORMER SUPPORTER TURNED CRITIC OF DONALD TRUMP.

THE OTHER AN ADVOCATE FOR GUN SAFETY AFTER THE TRAGIC KILLING OF HIS SCHOOL AGED DAUGHTER.

AND NOW THEY'VE COME TOGETHER FOR THE 2 DADS STORE TO TRY AND BRIDGE THE TOXIC POLITICAL DIVIDE IN THE COUNTRY.

LATEST STOP HAS THEM AT DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY IN RIVER FOREST TOMORROW NIGHT WHERE I GREW UP.

JOINING US ARE JOE WALSH, FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FOR ILLINOIS AND HOST OF THE PODCAST WHITE FLAG, WHICH WILL LAST AND FRED GUTTENBERG WHOSE DAUGHTER JAIME GUTTENBERG WAS MURDERED IN THE PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING IN 2018.

HE IS NOW DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO FIGHTING FOR GUN SAFETY IN AMERICA.

JOE, GREAT TO SEE YOU, FRED.

WELCOME TO CHICAGO TONIGHT.

JOEY, THE 2 OF YOU STARTED OFF A SPARRING PARTNERS AND OPPONENTS ON TWITTER AND IT WAS FOR REALLY WEREN'T PLAY ACTING.

HOW DID YOU COME TOGETHER AND PARIS?

IT WAS FOR REAL.

WE DID WHAT MOST OF AMERICA DOT DOES.

>> FRED AND I DISAGREED ON GUN.

SO WE YELLED AT EACH OTHER.

WE HURLED INSULTS AT EACH OTHER.

WHAT I'M SOCIAL MEDIA AND TV.

WE WENT AFTER EACH OTHER IN THE WORST WAY.

AND THEN WE REACHED OUT TO EACH OTHER PRIVATELY.

AND THAT REALLY IS WHAT STARTED IT.

AND THEN WE STARTED TO SPEAK PRIVATELY, GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND ACTUALLY BEGIN TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND FOR WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION THE FORMER CONGRESSMAN HERE WENT WHEN YOU WERE BEFORE BEFORE HE REACHED OUT TO YOU?

>> YOU KNOW, THE DAY AFTER MY DAUGHTER WAS KILLED, I WENT ON A MISSION TO DESTROY GUN LOBBY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO I THOUGHT PUSHED IDEAS OF THE GUN LOBBY AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR SAFETY.

JOE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIE DETERMINED.

I WAS GOING GO AFTER BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS WRONG ON A LOT OF THINGS.

AND I DIDN'T REALLY CARE FOR THE WHITE THAT HE USED IT CONSIDER IT TO BE TRUTHFUL.

AND SO HE AND I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT JOE MADE THE FIRST AFTER JOE RESPONSE TO AN EXCHANGE THAT WE WERE HAVING AT ONE POINT SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I REALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

IT LED TO THIS UNEXPECTED CONVERSATION BETWEEN US WHERE WE REALIZE WE'RE 2 DADS WITH FAMILIES.

WE LOVE WITH PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES WHO WE CARE ABOUT.

I WANT TO KEEP SAFE AND WE STARTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AND WE DISCOVERED LIKED EACH OTHER WE'VE BECOME FRIENDS AND WE BOTH NOW ARE IN A PLACE WHERE IN SPITE OF DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAVE, WHICH ARE MANY WE ON THE NEED TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY WE'RE GOING TO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN PARIS, BY THE WAY, THAT'S THE REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.

>> FRED AND I STILL DISAGREE.

I'M NEAR EVERYTHING IT WE'VE GOT A BIG ELECTION THIS YEAR.

NO MATTER WHO WINS IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVEN MORE DIVIDED.

AND IF WE DON'T GET OFF OF THIS ROAD WHERE WE TREAT THE PEOPLE WHO WE DISAGREE WITH AS OUR MORTAL ENEMIES.

FRED, IN I DON'T BELIEVE OUR DEMOCRACY CAN STAND.

WELL, FRED, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY PERSONAL TO YOU.

WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT.

>> THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE GUNG ABOUT SECOND AMENDMENT AND GUN RIGHTS AND DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF PROTECTIONS AT ALL.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT?

YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO CLOSE TO YOU.

>> YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE WAY ASK YOUR QUESTION.

GREAT THING IS THAT I SEE THIS IS A SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUE.

BECAUSE I DON'T I WAS AND I'M A SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

WISH HE WOULD COME I GUN VIOLENCE.

AND I THINK FOR ME HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT ENGAGING THEM IN CONVERSATION IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP.

YOU KNOW, JOE JUST SAID WE STILL DISAGREE DOWN THE ROAD WITHIN THE TRUTH ACTUALLY WE DO.

THERE'S IN PROCESS OF TALKING.

WE'VE DISCOVERED A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WE DISAGREE ON A LOT.

BUT THE COSTS WE TALK, WE'VE ALSO COME TO REALIZE THERE ARE THINGS WE AGREE ON.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.

OPPOSING POINTS OF VIEW COMING TOGETHER TO HAVE THE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO FIND COMMON GROUND.

I WANT ANYONE WHO THINKS, BUT THEY DISAGREE WITH ME WHO THINKS AN TYPE GUY OR ANTI SECOND AMENDMENT GUY TO TAKE THE TIME TO JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT I THINK BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DO IS REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE.

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY DISAGREE WITH AGREE ON THAT.

JOE, I KNOW YOU ARE A A GUN.

RIGHT.

SKIES.

SO DID YOU CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE AT DUTY YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH SPEAKING WITH FRED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.

>> DID OPEN MY EYES TO SOME ISSUES.

PARISH RIGHT?

I'M A BY MY DEAD COLD COLD, DEAD HANDS.

KIND OF A GUN GUY.

BUT LISTENING TO HIM MADE ME REALIZE THERE'S MORE WE CAN DO BEFORE A GUN IS BROUGHT EXPANDING BACKGROUND CHECKS.

BEFORE I MET WITH FRED ANOTHER GUN SAFETY ADVOCATES.

I NEVER WANT OPEN MY MIND TO REFORMS LIKE THAT, BUT I GET IT FROM.

WHAT ABOUT YOU ARE THERE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU MODIFIED TO YOUR VIEWS ON AS A RESULT OF TALKING TO JOE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOOK AT EVERYONE WITH AN OPPOSING POINT VIEW AS BEING EVIL ANYMORE.

>> AND HONESTLY, WHILE IT IS TRUE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WRONG.

SOME OF THESE LOBBY GROUPS LIKE THE NRA OR IN THESE COMPANIES THAT PUSHED SALES THE EXPENSE OF SAFETY.

WHY DO YOU THINK?

OUR EVIL?

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

ACTUALLY OUR LIKE JOE AND THEY WANT TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THIS.

AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BENEFIT FROM CONVERSATION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO REDUCE THE GUN VIOLENCE TO 3.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO REDUCE INSTANCES OF GUN VIOLENCE.

AND WHERE THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS MY ANGER EMOTION REALLY DROVE ME TO JUST.

JUST ROY AND DEMONIZE A POINT OF I WANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE FIND THE WAYS.

TO SAVE LIVES, TO SOUND LIKE WELL.

>> IF LAWMAKERS FOCUSED ON OUTCOMES, EVERYONE WANTS THE SAME OUTCOME AS OPPOSED PERHAPS THE THE PROCESS OR WHAT?

YOU KNOW, THERE FIRMLY HELD BELIEFS.

HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING.

YOU'RE SO JOE, THIS IS BEING PLAYED OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE.

DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE.

YOU'VE HAD LOT OF FALLING OUT WITH YES FRIENDS.

SO HOW DO YOU TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE?

COUPLE THINGS WE GET REALLY WOUND UP IN PASSIONATE WHEN WE TALK STILL, WE DO DISAGREE ON A NUMBER OF THINGS.

STILL, FRED NIGHT FOR A RULE, THOUGH.

LISTEN TO THE OTHER PERSON.

ALWAYS TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

EVEN IF YOU FIND NO COMMON GROUND AND EVERY CONVERSATION, FRED, AND I HAVE NO MATTER HOW YOU KNOW IT GETS WE ALWAYS END WITH A HUG.

WE ALWAYS END WITH AN EMBRACE NO MATTER TO THINK.

>> DO SOME ONE THING TO WHAT YOU SENT.

BECAUSE COMB TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND TALKED REGULARLY.

WE'VE COME TO TRUST ONE ANOTHER.

WE QUESTION EACH MOTIVES WHEN IT COMES TO A POINT OF VIEW, WE'VE COME TOO TRUSTING TO TALK IT THROUGH.

>> THERE ARE STILL ISSUES WHERE YOU'RE JUST JOE, I GOT TO GET YOU TO MY SIDE ON I REALLY DISAGREE WITH >> JOHN KNOWS TO GO WITH THIS BECAUSE I'M DETERMINED JOE WAS STILL NOT WITH ME ON THE NEED TO RAISE THE AGE TO 21.

TO YES, I'M NOT JUST FOR ME.

A REALLY BIG YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO TALKED A LOT ABOUT RED FLAG.

I THINK JOE'S IS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR JOE.

HE'S COME A LOT CLOSER TO ME THERE.

ON HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME TIME AGO, BUT HE'S NOT THERE YET ON 21.

AND AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THERE THERE'S HOPE HERE, THOUGH, THAT THE 2 OF YOU YOU MIGHT DISAGREE ON THAT, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO AT SOME POINT GAME.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THE 2 DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY.

IT'S A TOUR THAT